Healing After the Fire: Mental Health, Community, and Resilience | Dr. Cris Scaglione | ANEW Ep 82

Welcome back to the ANEW Insight Podcast—your trusted source for transformative conversations at the intersection of psychology, nutrition, fitness, and community resilience. Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist, registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of Deprogram Diet Culture, this episode features a deeply moving dialogue with neuropsychologist Dr. Cris Scaglione, current President of the Los Angeles County Psychological Association (LACPA).

In this powerful second installment of our conversation, we reflect on the devastating January 2025 California wildfire—one of the most destructive in the state’s history—and examine the mental health implications for affected communities. As co-chair of LACPA’s Disaster Response Committee, Dr. Tovar and Dr. Scaglione unpack the ongoing psychological, emotional, and social impact of this crisis. They explore how psychologists, especially those in leadership, can step beyond private practice to serve directly in community recovery efforts.

Dr. Scaglione shares LACPA’s evolving vision: becoming more nimble, socially responsive, and culturally inclusive. She reveals how recent collaborations—including psychological first aid trainings, equine-assisted healing events, and partnerships with regional psychological associations—are reshaping what it means to "show up" for a traumatized population. This episode also addresses burnout among mental health professionals, the isolation of private practice, and the urgent need for psychologists to foster deeper connections with each other and the communities they serve.

But this conversation goes far beyond disaster response. We delve into the systemic issues surrounding stigma in mental health, workplace toxicity, and the shifting landscape of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in professional organizations. Dr. Scaglione opens up about initiatives driven by younger LACPA members, including a bold DEI statement and cross-cultural collaborations with groups like the Asian American and Iranian Psychological Associations.

With honesty, humor, and heart, this episode shines a light on what it truly means to lead with integrity, hope, and joy in challenging times. Dr. Scaglione’s vision for mental health advocacy isn't just about healing trauma—it’s about cultivating joy, fostering community, and reclaiming the human connection at the heart of therapy.

If you’re a mental health professional, a wildfire survivor, or someone seeking community and clarity in a fractured world—this episode is for you.

🎧 Tune in to discover:

• How LACPA is rebuilding its approach to disaster recovery
• Why joy and celebration matter in post-trauma healing
• The challenge of inclusivity and volunteerism in psychology
• Tips for breaking isolation among private practice therapists
• How to engage in advocacy without burning out
  
  

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Welcome to the ANEW Insight podcast


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empowering and inspiring your journey
to optimal health.


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Hosted by Doctor
Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist,


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registered dietitian, fitness expert
and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:


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Rethink Your Relationship with Food,
Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet Free Life.


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I follow my guests’ journey
to optimal health,


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providing you with the keys
to unlock your own wellness path.


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Tune in and evolve with us.


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Welcome back to the ANEW Insight podcast.


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We are back for the second half
of our interview with neuropsychological,


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assessment and psychology expert
and president of the Los Angeles County


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Psychological Association (LACPA), Doctor
Cris Scaglione.


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Welcome back, Doctor Cris. Thank You.


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Doctor Cris gave us some really invaluable


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insight and perspective into her
inspiration and work in neuropsychology.


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We cannot wait to learn more,
especially about her work with LACPA.


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So I am going to start with the obvious
elephant in the room of


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January 2025, Los Angeles.


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Unless you were living under a rock,


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we experienced the absolute worst


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wildfire in all of California history,


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and that was probably one of the scariest


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things that we've ever witnessed, ever
been through.


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Talk about your hopes


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about LACPA in terms of its response


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to this wildfire and what you want


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the organization to do for the community
that is so in need right now?


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Well, you were a huge part of the response,


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Well, what I’m hoping for, is that


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as any disaster can be, it’s also
potentially an opportunity


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for us to reevaluate


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how we want to be in community.


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LACPA is a really interesting organization.


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It's a professional home for many of us.


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And there are times


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when it has been


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very active in the community for
 brief periods of time.


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What I’m hoping that happens,
is that we become more nimble,


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and more responsive to community needs.


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And as much as we initially did, both


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within our organization and in 
combination with the


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San Gabriel Valley Psych Association


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This community’s going to
need assistance for years.


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This is, this ain’t over.


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The tension, the ongoing stress of


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just dealing with insurance companies. Yes.


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Not being able to get back to your home,


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and if you do, it’s a toxic waste land.


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Not having a home at all.


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And the rebuilding. We’re going to be in a 
construction zone for three years at least.


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So community has a lot of needs


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now that it never did.


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Many of the communities that were devastated


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were wealthy and well resourced, 
they still need help,.


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Many of the communities were also
not so well resourced.


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They’re going to have a 
much probably tougher road


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of adjustment for years to come.


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So what I’m hoping, is that we can


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as an agency, as an organization


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becoming more active in the community,


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doing real good. 


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Yeah.


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Not just saying hearts and prayers,
which we haven’t done.


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But I just really dislike when agencies and


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organizations do that,
when they could in face be doing a lot more.


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I’m hoping that we can pair with


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other disaster response agencies like


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CORE for instance.


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One of the difficulties with


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a professional organization,
that it really is


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there for


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the profession, and allows us to get


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things like legislation passed
that’s good for


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practitioners or for the mental health
of our communities.


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And it hasn't been a socially active


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or social justice oriented


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professional organization, yet


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and I'm hoping that we get
more of that.


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We’re also getting younger members,


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And that's where a lot 
of our activism comes from.


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They do have


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more bandwidth for that
at the very least.


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So that's my hope anyway. 
That we can continue 


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the active


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community based participation that 
was begun as a result of the fires.


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Absolutely.


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And for those of you who don't know I'm
the co-chair of the Disaster


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Response Committee.


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So obviously
we kicked into high gear in January.


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We I don't think we're as prepared
as we needed to be at all.


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But what we were able to do
is band together


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and get a lot of people
trained in psychological first aid.


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That was our first mission.


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We gathered resources, and we got out
into the community and did donation drives.


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We are continuing to work with,


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wildfire survivors, right now


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doing some healing equine events,
which have been absolutely magical.


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And one person, really, you know


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what they said stuck with me
in that she thought,


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because it's not in the news
cycle anymore


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nobody's remembering us.


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Nobody's even really thinking of us.


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They think that we've moved on
and we haven't.


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And so a question I have for you is,


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how do we make sure that their
voices continue to be heard?


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That’s a good question,


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that happens all the time.


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Emergencies are not news cycles,
they are two entirely separate things.


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I think that what I would like to say,
in fact sometime I need to meet with you guys,


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about some ongoing specific
action that we take


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at places that are housing people


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I have actually some students
that are music therapists


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that want to go to these places, you’ve
trained up a lot of people


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doing psychological first-aid.


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But, you know, it's
not just about counseling, this is about food,


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hygiene products, things that people need


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that we could also be involved in


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as well.


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I would like to have


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us broaden our idea
of what mental health is about.


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You know, if somebody needs a sandwich, I’m 
not going to talk to them about


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what it means not to have a sandwich.


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I’m going to get them a sandwich. And I’m
hoping we do more of that.


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Absolutely. I think that there's, 
so much more work to be done.


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And I think it's so important
that we just don't


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ever forget
about what this entire city went through,


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even if you weren't affected,
you know, on a visceral level by the fire.


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Everyone in Los Angeles was affected.


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And I think what was beautiful was to see,


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I think I think Los Angeles has a
reputation that's undeserved.


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This is a city full of


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extremely caring,


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open hearted, giving individuals.


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And the response
was amazing for this wildfire.


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And we just want to see it continue.


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So that's a part of your goals for LACPA.


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What are your other goals?


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Name a few of the goals that you would
really love to see realized?


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Well, it is our 80th anniversary.


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This is this organization started
right after WWII.


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It's been through a lot,
it’s seen a lot,


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it has evolved a lot.


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And I would like to have the theme
of celebration continued throughout


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it’s a little tough to start that in January.


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None the less. We have lots of things to celebrate,
one of them was the thing you just pointed out.


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Our cities, our counties response to


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the need of our citizens,


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our fellow citizens, our neighbors


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was pretty remarkable.


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I think we can, I would like to be able to help


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push that as well.


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I think


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that joy is something that I 
would like for us to feel more.


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To be actively


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spreading.


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This goes back a little bit to what


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I mentioned earlier, one of
the reasons I went into neuropsychology


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was seeing that


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despite


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considerable hardship, 
and considerable impairment,


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when people find that 
core of happiness, that core


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of joy that’s in all of us


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It's incredibly


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fortifying, and actually, makes 
helps people live longer,


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better and longer.


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I'm hoping to promote
that as much as possible.


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through various celebrations


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in conjunction with community events.


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So for instance we’re doing


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an event on March 22nd


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to celebrate


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with many many many Asian and 
Middle Eastern cultures.


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I would like to see a lot
more of that though.


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That we participate in community
events, people begin to know what LACPA is.


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What psychologists are and what they do.


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And that they are fun to be around.


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And that they show up at community


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events and they show up
at community celebrations.


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I'd like to see more collaborative events
between committees


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and between other kinds of groups


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because we share resources,
we share ideas


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we share budgets 


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so that we can do more things perhaps with


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Even sometimes fewer resources.


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A few of the committees
shared their budget with me,


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and I was so grateful
because we blew through


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ours really, really fast.


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So yes, I absolutely agree.


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And you know, really bringing into,


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we talked about this in the last section


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about broadening diversity and inclusion.


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What do you think needs to be done
on the psychological side?


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Like we understand


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we need to get out in the community
and we need to be a part of the community.


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What does psychologists need to do better?


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Exactly what you said, our
work tends to be


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private,


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siloed as it’s often described.


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In fact we’ve changed how we do our


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professional development.


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It’s be well understood now that


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both ethically and for mental


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health reasons, we


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we know, we want people to meet,


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to actually talk to each other,


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that we don't just, go to a seminar,
learn something and go home.


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They want us to,


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the board of psychology understands 
that need to talk to each other


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human to human.


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Professional to professional.


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To actually get out,
be in the community


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show up at things, show up
at soup kitchens,


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you may not, you may not


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sit down and have this meaningful
therapeutic conversation with someone,


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but your presence, your support


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your acknowledgment, just being
able to see another human being


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in distress and be present with them


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I think we need to do a lot more of that.


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And what about psychologists


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to psychologists?


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Good point.


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What bout it. I rarely talk to other psychologists
except when I’m at a meeting.


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I know it's really difficult


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when you do private practice,
especially because you're kind of


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in your own little bubble
and you don't tend to see anybody else


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except for your
clients or your loved ones.


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How can


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psychologists, people together better?


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Well, I think that's a great question.


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And if you had the answer, that 


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I'd win $1 million. Exactly, at least.


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I think that, well let me back track a little bit.


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It's difficult
for us to talk about our work. Yes.


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We can't talk about our client specifically,


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obviously. We can't talk about what 
a lot of what we do.


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So, do you golf?


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Do we start talking to each
other about hobbies, interests.


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And it's kind of like going of a first date.


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It's difficult for us to intermingle
as psychologists, as fellow professionals


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because the only thing we have in common,
 something we can’t talk about.


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That’s kinda part of the problem.


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So I think we have, need to 
have events that are fun.


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I’m hoping for instance 


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we have a conference coming up in May


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I got a very nice Jazz quartet, 
and we got some snacks


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we’re not doing a bar, there’s a bar just down
the hallway from where we’re meeting.


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Just to hang out and talk


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and maybe talk a little about longevity


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of the agency and start
telling war stories etc.


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About where LACPA’s been all this time.


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But it’s tough to get a room
 of psychologists to talk to each other


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We also have different


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I think some very tightly held


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say theoretical orientations, or specialties that


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maybe we don’t feel like other people relate to,
or that might disagree with us.


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It’s a weird profession to be in actually.


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And to have collegiality. Yes.


00:14:01:06 - 00:14:04:01
But I love this idea of joy


00:14:04:01 - 00:14:08:22
and fun and celebration, because I think
when people think of a therapist,


00:14:08:22 - 00:14:12:09
they're like, all they listen to all day.


00:14:12:16 - 00:14:13:12
And it's true.


00:14:13:12 - 00:14:14:08
We do.


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But, that's not all we do.


00:14:17:17 - 00:14:23:07
We definitely help, you know, provide
a different perspective to our clients.


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And that is something that can be applied
to our intermingling together.


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Is that, really what is the shared goal?


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And the shared goal
is that we are here to help others.


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We're here to help ourselves.


00:14:39:13 - 00:14:43:00
And it doesn't have to be doom and gloom.


00:14:43:10 - 00:14:47:14
Right. I know I’m doing good therapy with someone
when we’re having fun


00:14:47:14 - 00:14:50:20
Yes. There’s a core of joy to that growth.


00:14:50:20 - 00:14:52:13
Yeah. To that sharing.


00:14:52:13 - 00:14:55:15
Well, I'm really looking forward
to your presidency.


00:14:55:15 - 00:14:59:05
I mean, it's already started,
and you're already leading with,


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you know, a great amount of,
you know, just passion and integrity.


00:15:05:05 - 00:15:10:03
Give me some ideas on some specific
initiatives that you're really hoping


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to implement, especially ones
that promote inclusivity.


00:15:14:20 - 00:15:16:05
That's that's,


00:15:17:16 - 00:15:21:00
that's like turning around a very large ship,
it’s going to take time.


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I think it is a it is always been.


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An ideal


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of our organization to be inclusive.


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But we don't always have 
the volunteers we need


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the bandwidth I guess might be


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the term I’m looking for.


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To actually see that happen in the world


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couple of initiatives 


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actually one of them 
is a student led one.


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It's, we’re going to


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we just voted on it this week.


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Oh no, 


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Sorry. Voting members of the board


00:16:01:05 - 00:16:03:07
I'm not a voting member. Sorry Dear.


00:16:03:07 - 00:16:05:11
You should be, but.


00:16:06:12 - 00:16:10:13
The students proposed a DEI statement 
about, hey


00:16:10:13 - 00:16:13:09
we’re aware that current


00:16:14:06 - 00:16:17:02
they didn’t mention the government at all, 


00:16:17:02 - 00:16:19:19
current changes in the attitudes
toward DEI


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is going to have a profound affect on us as 
professionals,


00:16:22:15 - 00:16:24:06
and certainly on our clients,


00:16:24:06 - 00:16:26:13
and the communities that we serve,


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we find it to be


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harmful,


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and essentially taking a stand
in support of


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Inclusivity. That’s going to be part of what we,


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I hate to use the word branding,


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but it’s going to be in social media,
gonna be on our website,


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we’re going to send it to our members,
as something to keep in mind


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So that's one thing.


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We’re doing more outreach, we’re doing
more collaborative events with other


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psychological organizations


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that have, for instance the Asian American
Psychological Association


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or the Iranian Psychological Association.


00:17:05:03 - 00:17:07:13
Cross pollinating kinds of events.


00:17:09:01 - 00:17:12:19
I’m hoping to have more involvement with


00:17:12:19 - 00:17:16:02
African American Organization of Psychologists


00:17:16:08 - 00:17:17:21
I’m actually a member 


00:17:18:18 - 00:17:20:01
but


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It’s been very difficult to get


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believe it or not, a chapter
in LA going, it’s


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been dormant for decades. Wow.


00:17:30:12 - 00:17:31:21
So that's, so


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professional collaborations,


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I know there’s a couple of others in there,
but they’re not coming to mind at the moment


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[laughter]


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There's plenty on the horizon for sure.
I hope so.


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I would say also,


00:17:48:02 - 00:17:50:01
even today, the


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importance of reducing stigma
when it comes


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to getting mental health treatment.


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Where do we stand on that right now?


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You know, this gets back to cultures


00:18:02:23 - 00:18:05:13
have some kind of stigma around


00:18:06:08 - 00:18:10:10
needing help with sadness, or anger
or any of that stuff.


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It's, there’s something about


00:18:13:21 - 00:18:16:11
supposedly the independence


00:18:16:19 - 00:18:19:11
and agency of being an adult that sort of


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that makes that uncomfortable,


00:18:21:01 - 00:18:24:01
but this culture particular,
Western culture


00:18:24:16 - 00:18:27:07
does see the inability to


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be fully functional or


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completely on your own as 
some kind of character flaw.


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What we always


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minimize


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is the importance of circumstances,
events,


00:18:40:20 - 00:18:43:20
environmental pressures,
inter generational


00:18:44:22 - 00:18:49:03
genetic and psychological transmission 
of trauma,


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we actually have a built in social bias


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to see us and our peeps as


00:18:59:18 - 00:19:02:02
being good, and if there’s something wrong


00:19:02:02 - 00:19:04:11
that happens, that’s because of
 external circumstances


00:19:04:18 - 00:19:08:04
but we reverse that when we
see somebody as other.


00:19:08:18 - 00:19:11:17
 We see them as inherently 
perhaps strange or odd


00:19:11:17 - 00:19:15:05
and if something is going wrong, 
it’s because of some internal


00:19:15:05 - 00:19:17:18
quality as opposed to 
external circumstances,


00:19:17:18 - 00:19:20:18
that’s a well known social psych phenomenon.


00:19:22:04 - 00:19:24:04
That’s part of it we need to understand.


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When you zoom out, just a little bit


00:19:26:09 - 00:19:28:05
and see the context of things,


00:19:28:22 - 00:19:31:12
the perspective is very different. Yes.


00:19:31:12 - 00:19:36:04
I think our younger generation right now
is, is way more in tune


00:19:36:04 - 00:19:41:07
with being completely real
with whatever's going on,


00:19:41:07 - 00:19:44:10
maybe to a greater degree


00:19:44:10 - 00:19:48:11
than, maybe is
is helpful for them sometimes.


00:19:48:19 - 00:19:51:13
But I really admired and I actually had


00:19:51:13 - 00:19:56:21
a young woman on my podcast, 
Francesca, Francesca Reicherter


00:19:57:07 - 00:20:00:02
who is a multiple


00:20:00:02 - 00:20:03:02
suicide attempt survivor.


00:20:03:11 - 00:20:06:01
And what she said really stuck with me


00:20:06:01 - 00:20:09:12
is that when we ask, how are you?


00:20:09:23 - 00:20:11:01
Yeah.


00:20:11:01 - 00:20:13:07
Everyone's go to is. I'm good.


00:20:13:07 - 00:20:13:22
I'm good.


00:20:13:22 - 00:20:16:18
And one of her greatest hopes


00:20:16:18 - 00:20:20:21
in terms of reducing stigma
around mental health is that people just


00:20:21:06 - 00:20:24:06
where to answer that honestly


00:20:24:10 - 00:20:26:23
and open up a conversation.


00:20:26:23 - 00:20:31:06
Then you realize how universal
any struggle is.


00:20:31:06 - 00:20:34:22
We're just kind of conditioned
to just keep it,


00:20:35:20 - 00:20:38:05
you know, tamp down


00:20:38:05 - 00:20:41:05
and act as if we're okay.


00:20:41:05 - 00:20:44:22
And I think it's so important
that if we're going to reduce


00:20:44:22 - 00:20:48:13
stigma around
mental health, that we're just honest.


00:20:49:23 - 00:20:51:09
Hones means that you gotta be vulnerable though


00:20:51:09 - 00:20:52:22
and people don’t want to do that.


00:20:52:22 - 00:20:57:10
Yes. But vulnerability is a strength.
Absolutely, yeah.


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And I think once you do open up to you
not necessarily being okay,


00:21:03:20 - 00:21:07:19
it makes it okay for others
to not be okay.


00:21:08:06 - 00:21:09:15
So absolutely.


00:21:09:15 - 00:21:13:00
I think, you know, reducing stigma can be


00:21:13:00 - 00:21:16:00
a big part of what we do


00:21:16:23 - 00:21:18:06
as therapists.


00:21:18:06 - 00:21:19:23
I’m hoping that


00:21:19:23 - 00:21:22:16
it gives us some good fodder for things


00:21:22:16 - 00:21:25:16
we can do as an organization at LACPA.


00:21:25:20 - 00:21:27:10
To have some kind of,


00:21:28:19 - 00:21:30:15
more public


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forums in which we


00:21:33:07 - 00:21:34:19
discuss this.


00:21:35:18 - 00:21:37:02
I have by the way, tried


00:21:37:02 - 00:21:40:02
to answer people honestly, 
and they just like shut down.


00:21:40:05 - 00:21:41:05
Really?


00:21:41:05 - 00:21:43:02
I’ve tried it as an experiment a few times.


00:21:44:04 - 00:21:46:08
And that includes, by the way


00:21:46:08 - 00:21:49:07
being utterly honest about how 
fabulous you’re feeling.


00:21:49:07 - 00:21:52:04
They still don’t want to hear it, 
it’s like, oh, okay.


00:21:52:04 - 00:21:54:12
Next. Interesting.


00:21:54:12 - 00:21:57:23
Because we’re. Conditioned. Yeah. Yeah.


00:21:57:23 - 00:22:01:04
This is particularly true
in, of course work settings and


00:22:02:00 - 00:22:05:00
with acquaintances. But sometimes even
with friends I’ve noticed.


00:22:05:00 - 00:22:08:00
Yes. Speaking of work settings,


00:22:08:12 - 00:22:10:18
at least from what I hear in my practice,


00:22:10:18 - 00:22:14:09
those can be some of the most toxic
environments in the world.


00:22:14:19 - 00:22:18:11
How do you think LACPA
 might be able to help,


00:22:19:13 - 00:22:22:17
workplaces on an organizational level?


00:22:22:17 - 00:22:24:18
Is that even a possibility?


00:22:26:08 - 00:22:28:01
Not on the immediate horizon.


00:22:29:21 - 00:22:32:10
In fact, we don't have too many people 
in our organization


00:22:32:10 - 00:22:34:09
it would be nice if we


00:22:34:09 - 00:22:37:09
could also attract,
here’s the other thing I would like about LACPA


00:22:37:13 - 00:22:40:11
we are seen, somewhat accurately


00:22:40:11 - 00:22:43:19
as being an organization
of people who are in private practice.


00:22:44:07 - 00:22:46:00
Mostly on the west side.


00:22:47:06 - 00:22:50:00
We don't attract people that work in agencies


00:22:50:06 - 00:22:52:05
we don’t attract people who are


00:22:52:05 - 00:22:54:03
in industrial organizational psych


00:22:54:03 - 00:22:59:03
and we could certainly use that kind
of mentality around


00:23:00:00 - 00:23:02:17
leadership, management changing.


00:23:04:19 - 00:23:07:11
Taking the,


00:23:07:11 - 00:23:09:21
this goes with stigma,


00:23:10:07 - 00:23:12:20
changing the idea that the responsibility


00:23:12:20 - 00:23:16:15
for things like self-care is on you.
It’s, no,


00:23:16:15 - 00:23:19:23
the organization itself should be doing
an awful lot


00:23:19:23 - 00:23:21:23
better at creating


00:23:21:23 - 00:23:25:12
less stressful, more health supportive environments.


00:23:26:21 - 00:23:28:02
That’s a very


00:23:28:02 - 00:23:30:21
that’s a distant future I think, unfortunately.


00:23:30:21 - 00:23:31:14
Well maybe not.


00:23:31:14 - 00:23:34:19
Maybe somebody is listening to this
who's in that and sees


00:23:34:19 - 00:23:37:19
a space for them in Los Angeles.


00:23:38:07 - 00:23:40:02
We certainly invite you.


00:23:40:02 - 00:23:43:10
Because I think improving our workplaces.


00:23:44:04 - 00:23:48:04
Because I honestly think aside
from obviously, you know, relationship


00:23:48:04 - 00:23:51:08
issues are workplaces are a significant


00:23:51:13 - 00:23:54:09
source of mental health distress.


00:23:54:09 - 00:23:58:02
It can be a source of great support,
most of the time, they are not.


00:23:58:02 - 00:23:59:08
Yeah.


00:24:00:22 - 00:24:05:01
Yeah, I was gonna say something about
our current culture and government


00:24:05:01 - 00:24:07:19
does not seem to be making that any better either. No.


00:24:07:19 - 00:24:11:07
Doing away with essentially basic self-respect.


00:24:11:15 - 00:24:13:19
And respect for others. Yes.


00:24:13:19 - 00:24:19:10
Let alone using such terms as diversity,
equity and inclusion. Yes.


00:24:20:09 - 00:24:23:02
Which I think is just really dangerous.


00:24:23:02 - 00:24:27:15
But that doesn't mean
that we as people have to follow that.


00:24:27:15 - 00:24:30:02
No, and I think we’ve been doing a nice
job of pushing back on that.


00:24:30:12 - 00:24:31:15
I’m glad to see it. Yeah.


00:24:31:15 - 00:24:33:13
I'd love to see some more.


00:24:33:13 - 00:24:37:12
Well speaking of future,
what do you have on the horizon


00:24:37:21 - 00:24:40:21
even after your presidency at LACPA?


00:24:41:01 - 00:24:42:19
What do you hope


00:24:42:19 - 00:24:44:13
for the after times?


00:24:44:13 - 00:24:47:21
If it’s okay with me cross pollinating 
with one of your podcasts


00:24:47:21 - 00:24:49:16
you had a guests earlier


00:24:50:12 - 00:24:53:12
Jaz Robbins, she's just unbelievable. Yes.


00:24:54:09 - 00:24:57:09
She's going to be our next president, 
so I’ll be there


00:24:57:15 - 00:25:00:00
to support whatever she wants.


00:25:00:15 - 00:25:02:23
I'll do it.


00:25:02:23 - 00:25:04:21
I, I'm getting to the age


00:25:04:21 - 00:25:08:07
where I didn’t, I’m about, I’m almost 70,


00:25:08:22 - 00:25:11:09
I’m thinking about maybe slowing down a little,


00:25:11:09 - 00:25:14:09
WHAT? I can't see that happening.


00:25:14:14 - 00:25:17:17
So, I'm not sure what I’m going to do,
it's interesting any time


00:25:18:18 - 00:25:20:20
some people are great at planning,


00:25:20:20 - 00:25:23:01
they’ve got their life all together,


00:25:23:01 - 00:25:25:12
they know what they’re gonna do in five years,
 and they do it.


00:25:25:12 - 00:25:26:18
I have never been like that.


00:25:27:04 - 00:25:30:02
Any time I make plans,
something else comes up.


00:25:30:06 - 00:25:33:06
So I never look too far into the future.


00:25:33:17 - 00:25:37:16
I think I will try to continue to 
find that perfect balance of


00:25:37:23 - 00:25:40:10
clinical work, assessment and teaching,


00:25:40:10 - 00:25:41:18
which I’ve never found.


00:25:41:18 - 00:25:46:00
I will back it off a little bit, 
I really do enjoy traveling.


00:25:47:15 - 00:25:51:16
In terms of LACPA, I will continue
to support it as best I can.


00:25:52:01 - 00:25:54:11
Really looking forward to Jaz’s presidency.


00:25:54:11 - 00:25:57:11
Me too. She’s a firebrand. Yes.


00:25:57:13 - 00:25:59:12
Yes. She's amazing.


00:25:59:12 - 00:26:03:07
Well, how can people
find you to work with you if you,


00:26:04:14 - 00:26:06:20
I’m findable at,


00:26:06:20 - 00:26:10:01
maybe I’ll give you a card to show,
or something later


00:26:10:01 - 00:26:13:17
at Doctor Cris, no H in Cris,


00:26:13:17 - 00:26:19:07
dr.cris@triskelion1.com


00:26:19:07 - 00:26:23:22
I'll end with, describing what the
heck is a triskelion, it’s a


00:26:24:11 - 00:26:26:19
Three sided spiral


00:26:26:19 - 00:26:29:04
that reminds me to work from


00:26:30:01 - 00:26:32:17
a perspective and body, mind, and spirit.


00:26:33:20 - 00:26:37:08
Or if you’re a little bit more empirically 
oriented from a 


00:26:37:13 - 00:26:39:06
bio-psycho-social perspective


00:26:39:06 - 00:26:39:23
I love it.


00:26:39:23 - 00:26:41:01
That’s why I use it.


00:26:41:02 - 00:26:41:17
Love it.


00:26:41:17 - 00:26:44:18
So we have a way to get a hold of 
Doctor Cris.


00:26:45:03 - 00:26:48:21
Well, thank you so much for joining us
on this podcast.


00:26:49:07 - 00:26:51:04
We learned a lot.


00:26:51:04 - 00:26:54:15
Not just about neuropsychology,
but really about kind of more


00:26:54:15 - 00:26:58:14
systemic issues that I think
need to be brought up more often.


00:26:59:00 - 00:27:01:15
Especially in today's climate.


00:27:01:15 - 00:27:06:07
We really don't want to leave
anyone behind or leave anyone out.


00:27:06:20 - 00:27:11:14
That is certainly not our mission
and our goal as psychologists or at LACPA.


00:27:11:21 - 00:27:15:06
So we're really grateful
for your presidency. Thank you.


00:27:15:06 - 00:27:17:12
And where you're leading us this year.


00:27:17:12 - 00:27:19:18
And I will be following.


00:27:19:18 - 00:27:23:20
Yeah, I'm hoping so, we really need it. Yes.
So thank you.


00:27:23:21 - 00:27:25:02
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00:27:25:02 - 00:27:28:03
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00:27:28:12 - 00:27:31:02
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