How Listening and Consequences Shape Resilient Kids with Dr. Jc Montenegro | ANEW Ep 89

In this deeply inspiring 90th episode of the ANEW Insight Podcast, Dr. Supatra Tovar sits down with Dr. Jc Montenegro executive director, life coach, nonprofit leader, and fierce advocate for youth development. With over two decades of experience empowering underserved communities, Dr. Jc shares his powerful story of transformation from a child with dyslexia who struggled to find his place in traditional academic systems, to a change-maker shaping the lives of thousands of young people in Los Angeles and beyond.

Dr. Montenegro reflects on the formative experiences that led him to a life of service, including a pivotal moment volunteering in the Amazon jungle at just 18. That encounter changed everything. He discovered his purpose: to give back, mentor the next generation, and build sustainable, community-based solutions that offer hope and direction.

This episode dives into the real challenges today’s youth face, including the mental health impact of social media addiction, the stress of economic instability in immigrant households, and the rise of emotional disconnection due to digital overload. Dr. Jc discusses how young people are being shaped in environments where they’re constantly “plugged in,” but rarely heard—and why developing listening skills, emotional literacy, and critical thinking are more vital now than ever.

He also offers a powerful critique of outdated educational models, calling for reforms that go beyond rote memorization and instead prioritize resilience, dialogue, and practical life skills. At the Salesian Youth Center, Dr. Jc fosters a culture of consequence rather than punishment, helping young people understand how their actions shape their futures, and encouraging open conversations between children, parents, and educators.

Dr. Tovar and Dr. Jc discuss how to support youth in becoming self-sufficient, emotionally intelligent individuals who can thrive in a complex, modern world. Whether you’re a parent, educator, therapist, or youth advocate, this episode offers invaluable insights into how to raise, mentor, and truly empower the next generation.

Want to Know more about Dr. Jc Montenegro here are her social media platform links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jc-montenegro-phd, https://www.instagram.com/jcmontenegro1/?hl=en, https://jcmontenegro.me/, https://www.salesianclubs-la.org/.

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Transcript

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Welcome to the ANEW Insight podcast


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empowering and inspiring your journey
to optimal health.


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Hosted by Doctor
Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist,


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registered dietitian, fitness expert
and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:


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Rethink Your Relationship with Food,
Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet Free Life.


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I follow my guests’ journey
to optimal health,


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providing you with the keys
to unlock your own wellness path.


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Tune in and evolve with us.


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Hello and welcome
 to the ANEW Insight podcast.


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I am Doctor Supatra Tovar,
and I am so excited to have executive


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director, life coach, and nonprofit leader


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Doctor Jc Montenegro with us today.


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Doctor Jc,
thank you so much for joining us.


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Thank you for having me.


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Thank you for this opportunity
to share who we are 


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and what we do for the community.


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I can't wait to learn more.


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I'm going to read a little bit


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about Doctor Jc, and then we'll get
right into the questions.


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Doctor Jc Montenegro is an executive


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director, life coach, and nonprofit leader
with over 20 years


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of experience in youth development
and community empowerment.


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Currently serving as the Executive
Director of the Salesian Families


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Youth Center in Los Angeles.


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He has led the organization
through significant challenges securing


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funding and increasing donor engagement
to ensure long term sustainability.


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Doctor Montenegro holds a Ph.D.


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in sociology and an MBA with specialized
training in youth ministry.


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He has also played a pivotal role
in international social initiatives,


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including developing a strategic plan
for Red America Social Salesians


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and launching volunteer programs in
the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Tijuana.


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Bilingual in English and Spanish, Doctor
Montenegro


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is dedicated to mentoring
the next generation of leaders


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and creating sustainable
nonprofit solutions


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that foster personal growth
and community development.


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Welcome, Doctor Jc.


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Thank you, thank you so much.


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So excited to


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find out more about what you're doing
helping youth in especially today's


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climate after Covid
and in this political climate,


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you have an amazing career
and you have dedicated this career


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to supporting disadvantaged youth.


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Share with us what sparked your passion
for working with youth?


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I was one of those troublemaker kids.


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So when I was a child,
I actually suffered dyslexia


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and that in a sense of growing
up, gave me away from the normal things.


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You know, you need to be a good student


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and you have good grades
and everybody will be happy with you.


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But when you don’t fit in


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the academic system, per se,
you feel that rejection,


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you feel that you don’t belong to something


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and in a sense, thanks to the Salesians


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and the educational system that they have,
I was able to find myself


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through an experience
that I did in the middle
of the Amazon jungle.


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So I went to the Amazon jungle
as a teacher when I was 18 years old,


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as a volunteer missionary.


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Wow. That changed my life
because from that moment,


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I understood what it meant to study,


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I understood
that I was good for something.


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And thanks to that is when


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I started


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in a sense trying to give back.


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What am I doing here?


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Is basically doing what someone did for me,
is that gratification


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that we think so many times in our culture
we are not grateful.


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You know, there are people who help us out
and then we forget about


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where we come from.


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And, you know, we live our life
and we're happy ever after.


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But I think there is something beauty for
when you actually are giving back,


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realizing where you come from,


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Where you really, are your roots,


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and who were the people who were there
to help you out to get out of it.


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How how you can actually give back to others
who are in the same situation you were.


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I love that.


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Do you have one particular mentor


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that you're very, very grateful for?


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I think there is a whole system,
and that is the beautiful thing


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about the Salesians is no one person
who has made the difference in your life,


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but is, a combination of people
who have been there


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and make a difference in your life.


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Like, for example,
when I was a little kid, I think my dad


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has a lot to do,
because he has walked with me 
through my whole life,


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my dad and my mom.


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But in those moments where my dad
and my mom


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didn't know how to deal with me
when I was 12,


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12 years old, 13, 14,
there was this priest


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whose name was Antonia,
who was helping me in that process.


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I think when I became a 18 years old


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and I went to the Amazon jungle,
there was this priest,


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his name is Domingo


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who was there accompanying me with Silvio


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And then when I got out of the mission,
there was, 


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So, in a sense, the system


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the environment is what helped me to grow.


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And that is why it's so important.


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And I think there is a saying in Africa you know,


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that to raise a child you need a tribe.


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And it’s so true, there’s not only one person
who's making the difference.


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But is a combination of everybody
who supported the child to become the best
they can be.


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It sounds like, you know,
they also say it takes a village.


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It sounds like the entire village
and the tribe was there for you,


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and you've created a tribe of your own


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or a village of your own
to help the next generation forward.


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So what do you think are the most pressing
challenges that disadvantaged youth face


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today, especially in light of the pandemic
and what's happening politically?


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One of the biggest challenges
that we are suffering right now is social media.


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The fact that the young people have,


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unlimited access to anything
and everything


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that they can imagine, is unbelievable.


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The fact that,


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many of these, social media,


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platforms per se,


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they're addictive.


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If you really think about it,
I mean, for adults,


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I can speak about myself, sometimes


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I will be in  these social media


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is like it's scrolling up and down,
and I'm can spend hours.


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You know, imagine someone who is 12,
13, 14.


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15 years old.


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Yes. And this is really interesting,


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And you can ask any young person right now


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what is that average screen time
 that you have that the phones give it to you,


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and many young people have


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Seven, eight,
nine, 12 hours of screen time.


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And you wonder,
where do they get those hours


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if they're in school and why not?


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Sometimes they don’t always live well.


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Yes. So I think part of the problem with this is not only for disadvantaged youth, 


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this is for every single young person,


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is the fact that we have


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giving too much freedom, in my opinion,


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in the sense of social media,


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when the child


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in the restaurant, and there is a child
4 or 5 years old, if they are quite


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It is because they are in,


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you know, in the, in the tablet. Yes.


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But I think to me that is the biggest
the major issue


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that I, that I realized how do we get
how can we get them out of it


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Yeah.


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The problem with that is not only are you addicted to this,


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but developmental, you don't
develop in the same way, like for example


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when I was a little kid, we were outside
playing, you know, talking to friends.


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Making sure that we deal with bullying


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or how they treat each other or not.


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Now, these kids are on their phones,


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their ability to communicate,
their ability to speak, their ability


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to to share their feelings
has happened to me that many times


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that never be able to find out
what is going on with them, when they text me,


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you know, how are you feeling?
They cannot put into words.


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But when they text you, they can tell you how they feel.


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Yes. To me,
I think those are critical components


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that as a society, we need to be aware.


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We need to be mindful.


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We need to when we need to say, I mean,
we're giving a phone to a 12 year old


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what do we expect?


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There is no any type of,


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filter in what is being shown.


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And in reality, social media


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what it does
is they provide what you want to see.


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Of course, or maybe not even what you want
to see, what you've been looking at.


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And then they give you more of that


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and that sends them down a rabbit hole
and that affects their mental health.


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That's what I saw,
especially during the pandemic.


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We saw such a rise in depression
and anxiety,


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kids who are also having to be on zoom
all the time.


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We're having difficulties
with, you know, body image dysmorphia.


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So many difficulties.


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I'm also wondering,
aside from social media,


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are there any challenges
that are particular to right now


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rather than kind of all the time
that you're


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seeing,
with the youth you're working with?


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I think with the young people
that we work with, many of them come from,


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Hispanic immigrant families.


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So even they were born here,
or they came when they were little kids.


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So their parents, they need to really work


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really hard to be able to survive. Yes.


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And we live in Los Angeles, Los Angeles


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the living expenses are huge.


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So to be able to live in that in a,


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in a house where you need to pay
what, $3,000-4,000 a month.


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Yeah.


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To be able to get that money to pay
you need to have two jobs.


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And dad and mom needs to work, so.


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So I think that is another big challenge
that you see that many of these parents


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have been working really hard
to, to be able to, to survive.


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Now, if you cannot survive in one room, or


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you don't have enough money
to pay, you rent somewhere else.


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Well, so, so many of the families
that we work with,


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they sleep on a couch, they don’t have a room.


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They shared the room with 3 or 4 people.


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So this is something
that has become the norm for some of the


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young people that we work with.


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Talking about immigration, you know,
right now


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the whole political statements 
that we have in regards to immigration


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So you have kids who have been born here,


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but the whole existence is
raising up culturally is from other countries.


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And then they are in fear 
that their parents are going to be deported.


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Yes, there is
there is a lot of social dynamics


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that are difficult to 
sometimes to understand. Yes.


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The other thing I've seen a lot is a lot of,
mental health.


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Yes. But I think that is part of the consequence
of social media as well.


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But a lot of mental health,
the families are way more smaller than before.


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Yes. My family, we were three,
but between the three of us, we fought.


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We you know, we discussed everything else,
sometimes you have families of one child,


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two children.


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I think the ability to communicate to develop with other people their age is


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a really interesting dynamic.


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So what we try to
provide is a place for them to, to,


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to give those things
that they can at home.


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You know, like you are here,
you need to talk to someone


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and you need to be able to to negotiate
what you want.


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You need to speak to convince your thoughts.


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And so it’s a beautiful dynamics
where we provide


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to the young people
that we have opportunities that in


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other cases, they won’t. Yes, I love that.


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And I think, you know,
they feel so disempowered.


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I do think it's probably even worse
now in the political climate.


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I used to do some work at Second Street
Elementary down in Boyle Heights,


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and I've worked in this neighborhood
a lot.


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And so those challenges
have always been there.


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But I can imagine that the fear of ICE
and, you know, what's happening,


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what could happen to their parents
is really disempowering for them.


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And I know that you are very big
in terms of trying to empower these kids.


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So how do you approach this way,
like the way that you empower them?


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How do you do that
and how does that foster long term growth?


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I think one of the main


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skills that we need to learn,
especially nowadays, is listening skills.


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We don't listen, and as a parent,


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sometimes we just tend to tell
how things are like


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we were raised, but we don't listen,


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we are in, in.


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In an era, where we need to be,
really attentive of listening.


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You know, we need to ask them questions.


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We need to allow them to fall.
I think part of the problem is


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that we have as a society,
we don't allow our children to fall.


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If something's happened,
we need to be careful,


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we need to


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we need to take care of them.


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You know sometimes,


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you know, making mistakes
is actually a, a beautiful experience you know.


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Yesterday I was actually talking
to one of the parents,


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and she was disappointed because something
happened at the school and


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the kid was asked to leave the school.


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She was upset and I was telling her
maybe there's a beautiful opportunity


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for your child to know that there's
consequences about your behaviors.


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So this happens,


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instead of blaming everybody else,


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let's assume responsibility
of where we are.


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At least try to make it work. So I think 


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sometimes we are so polarized
between what is right and what's wrong.


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You know, there are things that happen
that and those things


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actually become something
beautiful like myself,


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if I wouldn’t have dyslexia, I probably wouldn’t be here.


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Oh, absolutely.


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Absolutely do in my business
when making money and whatnot.


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But the fact that I had this situation
in my life actually moved me 
to a different  reality.


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And I think that is one of the challenges 
that we need to see as adults


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is being able to help them out


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to empower to find what is it
 that they are called to be.


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Not to do.


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Well how do you let them fall?


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I think that those two skills, learning
how to listen


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and learning from mistakes are invaluable.


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And I think is probably more of a
our part of our generation.


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You know, I grew up
as part of the latchkey generation.


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So we were just left to our own devices
and we had to figure it out.


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But how do you do that under a structured
environment like at Salesian?


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I think


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I am a father too, I have a 21 years old.


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And, with him, before, before, before him it was interesting


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because I felt that I was the superhero,
the good, oh my goodness


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I mean, you read
the resume as impressive.


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Then when you go with your own child,
you do realize that sometimes you


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feel like a failure, because


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you know,
you do all this for other people,


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and yet with your own child 
you can not even do it, you know.


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I think the reality in my case is


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they need to understand
that everything that they do has consequences.


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I think that is, to me,
the biggest change in my time,


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it was not consequences, it was punishment.


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If you do something wrong,
you will be punished.


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But the point is, is someone else,


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you know, giving you


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what you need to do.


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But when you're talking about consequences,
it is actually starting a dialogue.


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I have my son, he’s like I wanna have
a credit card because I'm working.


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I really want to do the
we want to be able to build credit.


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I say, if you have the credit card, these 
are the realities of what can happen.


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You know,


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he has to deal with his own consequences.


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I love it. As a, as a, as a father,


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the only thing that you need to say
is I'm here to support you.


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I love you,
but you ended up in that situation.


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You have to take care of that situation.


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And if you want me to help you,


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what is the conditions, how can we
 work that out together?


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You know,


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like if there is a child
who’s having an issue in the school


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instead of going to the school trying to
defend your child, ask what happened.


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What's going on?


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What is it?


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But I think so many times
we we are so blind to our children


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the best thing that ever happened
in the world


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that we forget that
what happened when we are not there.


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Right. That is my question.


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Many times, that I give conference,


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do you train your child
to be self-sufficient the moment that you’re not there?


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Because that will happen.


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We hope that is later that sooner.


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But that will happen, but how are we training them


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so they can be sufficient,
so they can speak for themselves,


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so they can defend their, their arguments,


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their point of view, and they can 
present who they are.


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So it sounds like a lot of your work
is also working


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with the parents as well as the kids.


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When they allow us
to work with the parents.


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So many times, the parents also,
they're so busy making money


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and making sure that everybody's fine and
they have the meaning of providing that


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they just,


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called them out, hey I’m outside
 can you send my kid, so.


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And even in my ministry, I.


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I think I have been trying
to reach out to the parents as well


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because, at the end, is a
is a in society? Yes.


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I don’t think, sometimes we understand that,


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we as an entity,


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if we are not connected
with other people, we’re not going anywhere.


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Yes, yes. Less impact per se.


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As a therapist,
you know, it was part of our work


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to call in the parents
and help them understand


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what was going on with their child,
help them with parenting techniques.


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And I think that that just goes along
with your whole


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notion of it's a village,
we all need to help each other out.


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And oftentimes
parents, especially hard working parents


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that are working, maybe even multiple
jobs, don't necessarily have the time


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or the bandwidth to even think about
the structure that their child needs.


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But there's a lot of very simple ways
that you can give the child structure.


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And it sounds like your work is mostly
with the children


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and helping and giving them inspiration
and helping them feel empowered,


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and then helping them learn
how to listen and also how to communicate.


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That's so beautiful.


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And I think, you know, it
speaks to a larger systemic issue.


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What we're seeing with today's youth.


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And I think that that comes
from the educational system.


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What do you think needs to be reformed,


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if you can name a couple things?


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I'm sure there's a million things
in current, educational system,


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especially in light of them
trying to dismantle the Department


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of Education and so forth.


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I would ask one simple
question is the same way,


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we used to receive classes
is the same way how


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my parents used to receive classes,


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and the same way probably my 
grandparents used to receive classes.


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So the reality is that the educational system hasn't


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changed. Yes.


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It has been the same system
for so many years.


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And the reality is
we are in a different era.


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We are in a different way of doing things,


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we are in a different dynamics.


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And if we don't change the way
for we helping young people to


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interact, to talk to, to
those type of  things is difficult.


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Even when you're trying, and and


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and I wanted to mention this before 


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When I empower young people, 
I empower them to have voice,


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to talk to, to, to to say what they believe.


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But it's interesting because sometimes
when they are in power enough


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sometimes they don't think
in the same way that you think.


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Right.


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Think how you do it.


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So, you empower them only when, you


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in the things that are convenience to you?


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Right.


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Or you empower them in all the way 
and help them to think and to be critical,


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thing is this part of it all that 
sometimes we don’t like


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is like how do we call them out?


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How do we bring them to the table and say


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this is what I'm seeing.


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What's going on?


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I think that's what it what I was saying
that the listening part of the dialog.


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You know.


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But in the educational system right now,
going back to your question


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Yeah.


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If you're good memorizing, you pass,
if you're not good memorizing 


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or something happened, then you have an issue.


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But. Yes. How many people know how to write an essay
and that's is actually really interesting.


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Yes. How many people can actually 
come and write a nice essay, or


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Without ChatGPT. Without ChatGPT then.


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So I think those are the things that,


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you know,
I see beautiful things in the educational system,


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the other day was in a class
that they were teaching how to cook.


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That is something that we never probably
will imagine in our time, but I think it’s great.


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But in other parts as well it’s like


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What's going on?


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I think there is a,
there is a lot of things that has to be


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we need to redefine
how do we want to teach, what is the


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what is the outcomes that we want?


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I am not in that sense an expert,


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I can tell you all this is what I would do,
because it has to be a process thinking


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where we go into the
into the field and say,


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okay, what do we want from
 our young people?


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Because if you really think about education,


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you came out of the, the, kings, you know.


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The kings wanted to educate their, their,


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their, their children.


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That was part of the education 
system that they started.


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Right. Now for us, education is interesting,


00:22:07:00 - 00:22:09:10
More people live longer.


00:22:09:10 - 00:22:11:01
So we don't have as many jobs
as you used to have.


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So education is part of the system where
you can be trained before you go to work.


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Where we are not working we need to
we can do


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Well, I do think that critical thinking
is something that is lacking


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in most educational programs
because the focus is so much on testing.


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And like you said,
if you can memorize, if you can test well,


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then you perform well.


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But what is that going to do for you
if you just have a bunch of facts


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sitting in your head
and you don't even know how to use them?


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So that would be my hope, is that, you
know, what do we do with this information?


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What do we do with what we're memorizing?


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How do we learn from it?


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Especially how do we learn from history?


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Because I don't think we're necessarily
learning that much,


00:22:54:13 - 00:22:58:04
but it sounds like so much reform
needs to be made.


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But at least at the very smallest amount,


00:23:01:22 - 00:23:05:05
just helping children learn
how to be better critical


00:23:05:05 - 00:23:08:05
thinkers will help them be more adaptable,


00:23:08:14 - 00:23:13:06
especially if they do stumble
and fall and fail


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and need to figure out
how to learn from that.


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One of the things that


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right now when you were speaking, brings to my mind is that


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the polarization that we have.


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We cannot sit in the same table
and talk about politics, for example.


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Yes. Because many people are not willing. Yes.


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And the problem with that is as soon as you are not capable
to disagree with something else,


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then we have an issue. Yeah.


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Because the critical thinking and everything goes


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to backup what your beliefs are.


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I was reading this book
the other day, this audio book was saying that


00:23:43:21 - 00:23:47:05
the same way the body reacts or used to react


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when a bear would chase you down,
 is the same way your body reacts


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when someone is disagreeing or 
challenging your beliefs.


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Wow. Think about it. Yes.


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Right now for example,
even in our culture, it's unbelievable.


00:24:03:05 - 00:24:07:09
As soon a someone is pro or against, 
there is no conversation. Yes.


00:24:07:14 - 00:24:11:15
There is no dialogue to see what it is, 
but is actually I’m trying to convince you


00:24:11:15 - 00:24:13:08
what I believe is right.


00:24:13:22 - 00:24:16:22
I think part of the problem is in our culture,
we are so sensitive about things


00:24:17:19 - 00:24:20:07
Microaggressions. Yes.


00:24:20:07 - 00:24:22:20
If someone said something and you 
take it as a microaggression,


00:24:22:20 - 00:24:24:14
like oh my goodness, so we


00:24:25:07 - 00:24:29:08
in my time this concept
of microaggressions or things


00:24:29:11 - 00:24:31:19
didn’t exist, you need to 
survive where you are.


00:24:31:19 - 00:24:33:16
You need to be who you are. Yes.


00:24:34:15 - 00:24:37:15
But I also think that civilized dialog


00:24:37:20 - 00:24:41:16
between people who are opposing
each other, you know, politically


00:24:42:06 - 00:24:47:09
back in the 80s, yeah, there were plenty
of disagreements and nobody was


00:24:47:09 - 00:24:49:06
you know, necessarily
seeing each other side.


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But the way that they communicated,
I think was different.


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It was a lot more respectful.


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And I think when you throw respect out
the window, then nobody's going to listen.


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And that I think is a huge problem.


00:25:03:01 - 00:25:04:20
Yeah, I agree with you.


00:25:04:20 - 00:25:07:18
But one thing, if we go back to the point of


00:25:07:18 - 00:25:09:18
how do we communicate.


00:25:09:18 - 00:25:13:15
How do we
how are we able to listen to others?


00:25:13:21 - 00:25:14:19
Yeah.


00:25:14:19 - 00:25:18:16
When someone is speaking, already
someone is thinking about what I’m going to answer.


00:25:18:16 - 00:25:19:10
Right.


00:25:19:10 - 00:25:21:05
And working with young people,


00:25:21:16 - 00:25:24:15
You can’t. I mean, if you really want
to help them out to grow 


00:25:24:15 - 00:25:26:14
help them out to see things differently,


00:25:26:14 - 00:25:29:20
you have to have a clear understanding of who you are first of all.


00:25:29:20 - 00:25:34:00
and second of all is,
allow them to be. Yes.


00:25:34:12 - 00:25:39:11
That means that even
if you are not in agreement, how can you,


00:25:39:11 - 00:25:42:18
how can you be in the point
that you understand each other?


00:25:43:03 - 00:25:46:09
Yes. Well,
we're going to get much more into this


00:25:46:09 - 00:25:50:07
in the second half of this episode,
but we're out of time for this half.


00:25:50:15 - 00:25:53:11
But please tune in


00:25:53:11 - 00:25:58:10
for the next half of this incredible
episode with executive director,


00:25:58:10 - 00:26:02:21
life coach, and nonprofit leader, 
Doctor Jc Montenegro.


00:26:03:04 - 00:26:04:20
Thank you. Jc.
Thank you.


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